I don't see it hurting Obama. The simpletons in this country are more upset with what Ann Coulter and Donald Trump are saying than they are with Americans dying due to the incompetence of their Hope and Change blessing.

How basic does an issue have to be? The date: 9/11. The location: a country in turmoil. Cries for help from our AMBASSADOR!: 3. If this does not affect the outcome of the election, then our country is lost.

What a boob!

Most of what touches Fox news is bias and is not a credible source.

Unfortunately, Mary, the electorate of this president cares more about Entertainment Tonight than they do the lives of those people. They woule pay more attention if their son or daughter was in that Embassy and the president had more important things to do than go over security briefs. Have you noticed that they continually DEFEND obama even when the evidence is piling up? Why do they defend him? I believe Thomas Sowell said it best. he said," We elected a man with no experience on symbolism...when you wake up in a nuclear heap one morning and your family is dead, will it matter that your elected someone who symbolized something?" Here's a great interview on him by Larry Elder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmylSqArutQ

@Tammy osier
The Republicans from day one of this tragedy have tried to achieve some kind of political advantage by making it a political issue. Lets not forget, that when the state department requested additional funding for security that the Republican congress cut their request. Why aren't we hearing more about this fact? Let's not forget that from day one the administration said that they didn't have all the facts and would investigate and report back to the American people. Lets' not forget that the Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta, said that they did not have adequate intelligence and felt like they should not put American forces at risk. He said, "The attack happened over a few hours and was over before the U.S. had the chance to know what really happened". He also said," a basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what is going on." I think thank Romney choose to shoot from the hip in a premature, irresponsible, immature, way. This is a desperate man that will say and does anything to win this election .My fear is that he is surrounded by Neo Cons that would love to manipulate a new untried President, like George Bush, to get us into another war in the Middle East. A war with IRAN is likely under a Romney administration.

Steve, that's usually the way it goes. Clinton dropped the ball and appeased our enemies until someone else came into office (that they KNEW would not appease them). Bush got the crap on that one. Funny isn't it? Democrats appease, inflame enemies, republicans always left to clean up the mess. Going back as far as carter and move forward. The last good democrat we had was kennedy. He knew the enemy and how to deal with them. He was also a fiscal conservative even though a democrat. I could compare him to Clinton though as far as leadership goes. They both knew how to work with others and it paid off in many areas.

This President is lying so much about Benghazi it is pathetic.

@ George - Here's a hypothetical for you- just suppose- let's pretend- What if they are right? What is your response then? Will you for once offer an honest appraisal of your candidate?

@Tammy Osier
All of my appraisals have been correct and based on fact.

I knew you'd dodge the question. Just because you say something is so, doesn't make it a fact. Please prove these things so that we can see for ourselves. I can look in my paycheck and see the results of this administration. I know how to research both sides and come to a conclusion. Do that, and then we may all be able to sit at the table and talk. Not trying to be disrespectful, but there comes a point where you sound like a parrot-parroting what the liberal press throws out, knowing you will repeat it. Then, answer the question.

Gosh I sure hope the American public wakes up to the lies and it affects his election, so we dont have a repeat of it later on down the road. It has now been uncovered the watched this unfold in live true color action, had every bit the authority financially and other wise to stop it, they did NOTHING and then I ASSUME, yes I am ASSUMING thought they could lie and cover their way out of it, but oops. technology wasn't on their side no matter how much the media and others were. This is sick. I hope the elections clearly show how much Americans truly are, still American!

According to Obama, Americans are just "These Folks" and the Terrorists are "Those Folks".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hKSey7M1c8o

These folks, those folks, you folks, my folks, all folks, some folks...
Just folks

Yes. they watched it in real time. Answer the question Goerge. I guess the more we find out about it, the les likely we are to hear from our liberal friends. Too bad. They have an opportunity to look at something critically instead of excuse making. Fina;;y something they can't make an excuse about. Question for those who are still undecided:
If your son or daughter were over there, do you want barrack obama at the helm? 66% ofthe military do NOT want him at the helm any longer. That ought to tell you what you need to know.

Answer the question George. To keep credibility, you have to be able to answer questions and give a view on both sides. Problem is, you can only give one view. You can't answer the question because of that.

I haven't seen a reply from George Wilson on here yet since he so proudly stated good eating habits start at school, on the other thread. Have a fantastic evening peoples :)

Since I won't get an answer from George and friends:
Question for those who are still undecided:
Based on the information we now have, if your son or daughter were over there, do you want barrack obama at the helm?

Well, it is nightfall and the crickets have begun to chirp...

I know it is hard for you staunch Republicans to imagine, but this is how I felt eight years ago when Dubya was going up for a second term. Frustration with the current administration, in fear for the country, and angry that people could be so complacent with someone who clearly was so terrible for the American People.

I want a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. If I want limited government, I also want that to include government getting the hell out of women's uteri. (uteruses?)

I want the people who are against "George and his friends" to slap themselves because when they accuse him of "buying into the mainstream liberal media pap" they themselves are doing the exact same thing, just instead buying into the fox media juggernaut pap. That road goes both ways, kids.

In closing, no one is going to change George's mind. Or Tammy's mind. Or Rex or Mary Lou or me. Our minds are made up. So why are we all worked up here over the internet? Go play with your families and don't worry so much about stuff. I guarantee you, Georgia will still be a red state when you wake up on November 7, no matter how many Georges there are in this area.

Romney has time and time again accused the president of failing in his Foreign policy but in the next trying to appase moderate independants say he wouldn't do anything different. Ryan talks about funding the military but his own draft budget slashes it. We may have less ships than in 1916 but 1 carrier battle group today has more fire power than the entire US Fleet in 1916. Romney talks about building our military by building more ships , more, more plans, more tanks a tank isn't going to stop Iran or China hacking into our computer networks. sending a tank into a mountainous region in North Africa is pointless. The Presidents, defence departments plans of building our cyber defence networks, greater use of special forces and drones is the right way to go. The use of economic sanctions is hurting Iran Acmawhatshisname is increasingly being sideline by Ayatollah. What's arming the rebels in Syria going to achieve but yet again it back fireing on US just like it did when we tried to manipulate Afganistan with regards to the Russians and US supporting the Taliban. Iraq with us supporting Sadam against Iran. Yep the 1980's is calling and it wants its failed foreign policy back.

This terrorist attack may involve far more than is being discussed here. Is anyone else researching a bigger picture? How about maybe that Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi on September 11, 2012 to meet with his Turkish counterpart, who reportedly warned Stevens that the operation was compromised. This article may not be exactly factual but reasonable to enough to search deeper into what was going on leading up to the attack.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50586

Going back to the original question and to answer Mr. Stapley- No. It won't have an impact because there is a faction of people who have a movie star / personality mentality when it comes to selecting a leader. NS- You may be right, BUT, Romney is still a heck of a sight bettr than what we have now. Israel is about ready to explode. We need someone to go back in there and keep the peace. I don't beleive we will have to worry about Romney having more time for JZ and The View than he does for his job. But having Romney in there opens the door for a better selection the next time around. IMHO.

Tammy the British tried to keep the peace their and got a bloody nose for their efforts, by having our hands in all these little hot beds we are destined to repeat the mistakes of the past. The US is being manipulated by Isreal attempting to force our hand and Romney is lapping it up. We are not the worlds policeman? You talk about popularity Mitt has spent his life spinning his way to this job he has held every conceivable position in attempt to secure votes. All you have to do is compare Romney from the 2008 and 2012 primaries he holds different positions then you have the Romney in the 2012 election again one minute he is a hard line conservative the next he is a moderate Republican.

By they way Rex you people harp on about freedom of speech so you don't like my voice of words boo hoo deal with it.

NS - When I studied World History in college, I remember reading about the presidency where we became the world's policman. It was very interesting. I'll have to find that and expound later.
On Romney - for all those who criticize the TEA party, I'm telling you, the purpose of that group is to hold conservatives feet to the fire. I have a feeling he will have a tougher presidency that he thinks. People are tired of politicians and their "my way or the highway" approach. It will be interesting for sure.

I just read th article that Rex posted. Might want to take a look folks...

I read it Tammy and Rex- but without even sayin a word..you know how here, at least..its going to get spun. Thanks for posting, Rex. Interesting, and frightening, indeed. Even more need for effective leadership on all fronts.

I am afraid it is distorting the presidential election. There has simply not been enough time to THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATE this terrible tragic incident. TOO MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED - I said, he said, she said, they said, 3 different agencies, etc The public wants a NOW ANSWER. The heck with the truth. This occurrence could not have come at a worse time!

George - I could cut and paste all day whre i said a simple thing and you turned it round adn made it into a completely different sentence (to fit your agenda, of course). You really can't accuse others. Like I said before, if you only have one point of view and WON'T even consider the other side, then there is no conversation. I love it when I actually converse with people on here without having to defend myself form attacks. I just ignore them for the most part (bigger thing to do).
Also, finding out alot in different state newspapers...Iowa and a few other normally liberal states are swinging to the right in droves. The people who haven't been counted in the regular polling will weight in come Nov. 6.

John B. - that's what I'm seeing and it's encouraging. The ones who are undecided are actually the smarter of all of us. They weight things through the eyes of critical thinking. They are the ons who haven't been polled yet since they probably didn't vote last time or only voted in presidential elections. Got to return common sense and decency back to the people.

Did you Republicans complain against GW Bush, after his leadership led to these attacks on US diplomatic posts?

June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.

February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.

December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall.
Five killed, 10 wounded.

March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan Suicide car bomber
killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.

September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb. One killed and 13 wounded.

January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.

July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

I didn't think so !

@Joseph Robert
Thanks for the excellent research and confirms my belief that the right is only trying to cook this up as a political issue. This has already backfired on them by showing that Romney is a light weight in foreign policy and an opportunist.

The republicans watched Iraqi trucks haul what could of been wmd for 4 months to Syria . Bush knew this and it was reported on Fox so called News . So the republicans sent in our troops after watching this and the reps acted like it was an emergency for our troops to go in . They sent our troops in without the equipment they needed , one example is the steel sheilds on Humvees and jeeps and so forth. Some of our troops had to go to local scrap yards to get metal to weld onto their trucks to protect them from machine gun fire. This is fact ask some who went and look it up . . How many troops got killed going into Iraq for daddy Bush , not to liberate the people but to take out Sadamm for daddy Bush . And when we got into Iraq guess what ??? DUHHHHHHHHH no WMD . Afetr watching the tractor trailers hauling back and forth to Syria ? Fox even mentioned they might have wmd on them ! People forget its the republicans that get us into all the wars we have had. American oil companies are now pumping oil in Iraq , the reason we went in for . And now the reps are doing all they can to discredit Obama over Libya . Your not fooling anyone you republican war mongers

Republican attempts to get traction beyond the realities of this incident have to contend with a president who has unapologetically dispatched Somali pirates, rained drone strikes on Pakistani militants, and sent Osama bin Laden to a better place (for us, at least) with extreme prejudice. More to the point, he did this without subsequent saber rattling bravado and bragging about how terrorists can't hide, and how we'll track them to the ends of the earth, and other rhetorical flourishes that telegraph insecurity rather than strength. Romney and Republicans should have shown some respect to the President.
Romney's opportunistic actions sickened me. May he and Ann never get to unpack their bags in the White House.

People should not vote for anyone , UNLESS they have facts , not talking points or sound bites . I do not state hear say or nonsense . I do not speak without knowing the facts . The republicans are not interested in the middle class , nor helping them . Anyone of my age should know this. I have seen the republicans years after years look the other way when it comes to the middle class. The reps have refused the prescription drug database for 10 years and fought it every step of the way . A database that could someday save your kids life . The drug dealers love the reps for not enforcing this database . The reps are more interested in supporting the doctors , BIG pharma and their own pocketbook . They passed a watered down version of a database last year that is not mandatory for the doctors to use . They passed it under pressure . Please look into this simple fact before you vote for the reps . This alone should tell you where their heads are at . Its not you and I . Its their wallets and how much they can put in it , regardless of what it does to the middleclass
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John B. Check this out. it's called "The Unrealities of the Past Four Years". Good read. You'll understand why some can post nonsense and actually believe it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443684104578067041987322754.html?mod=djemBestOfTheWeb_h

Also, seems, if I remember, it was the Congress that stalled and stalled and stalled until they were out of the country. My family served this country during this war and I was told, 'Oh yeah. They're in Syria". Funny, the same congress (nancy and harry) that gloated that wmd's weren't in Iraq but admit that they are probably in Syria. So, which is it? Here's a pretty credible source:
In 2006, former Iraqi general, Georges Sada, who served under Saddam Hussein before he defected, wrote a book detailing how the Iraqi Revolutionary Guard moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria, before the US-led action...by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.
He says, "If I were Mr. Reid, Ms. Pelosi and the entire compliment of Progressives and anti-war Democrats who cheered in politically opportunistic victory when no “stockpiles” of WMD were found in Iraq, the exact group who routinely ignored those who sounded the alarm about the transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria, I would be very concerned about what may very well be the ultimate vindication of George W. Bush." He also says, "If the Assad regime decides to use these bio-chemical weapons; if the spent shells are found to possess Iraqi markings of manufacture, anti-war Democrats and Progressives here in the United States will have been complicit in what is tantamount to genocide, and all in pursuit of political gain; all so they could arrogantly chant “Bush lied and people died.”

David 1) Afganistan isn't in the Middle East it's actually in Asia 2) Iraq was actually a secular Arab state there were no Islamic militants in Iraq until we invaded and ousted Sadam. Invading Iraq took out what was keeping Iran from doing what they are doing now. The reason why Bush's daddy stopped at the Kuwait border instead of fighting on into Bagsad was for this very reason. We are to blame for the Taliban because we funded them and trainned them to fight the Russians. We are to blame for the resurgence of Iran because we took out their number one enemy an enemy that was no threat to us. The British are to blame for the Isreal/Palestinian issue because they are the ones who shafted the Arabs in the attempt to bring the US into world war 2 by giving the American Jews a sweetener of the their own homeland land that had already been promised to the Arabs.

Whats one dead Ambassador to Obama

@David
It is always good to go back and look at the root causes and history of Iran's' ill feelings towards the United States and other countries in the region as well.

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran, and its head of government Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States(CIA) . The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.In 1951, Iran's oil industry was nationalized with near-unanimous support of Iran's parliament in a bill introduced by Mossadegh who led the nationalist parliamentarian faction. Iran's oil had been controlled by the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), now known as BP.Popular discontent with the AIOC began in the late 1940s; a large segment of Iran's public and a number of politicians saw the company as exploitative and a vestige of British imperialism.

Mr. Banks, here's some good research on the subject (where I got the below information). http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/saddam_and_alqaeda_1.html
We forget that S. Hussein had connections with Al Qaida. We gained a lot of intelligence after his death. Not only did Saddam provide training and support to terrorists, Saddam readily financed them.
Per the article: at the bottom are cited works that come from other than the internet (which is very unreliable). They come from archived articles from journals. I learned in college that the internet is actually the worst place to find accurate material. But, if you find something with cited works that come from journals, then you have found something you can use.

Obama has no problem watching a live feed of Americans being butchered in Benghazi. Six weeks later, he tells Hurricane Sandy victims that "We Leave Nobody Behind".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vqrJPGmBBMA

Obama is a despicable liar!

Mayor Bloomberg told Obama to stay out of New York City.

Obama watches live feed of Americans being BUTCHERED in Benghazi. Six weeks later, he tells hurricane victims "We Leave Nobody Behind".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqrJPGmBBMA

DON'T BET ON IT!

Aaron, Jim and Rex - amen. Now he is banking on this being his katrina. Funny he wants to look presidential now. Such a contrast. Thta's why no one believes him. Good for the mayor.

Ms. Osier and her cheerleaders complain that President Obama has been campaigning - as do all incumbents who seek re-election while serving their elected terms - but today she posts: "Now he is banking on this being his katrina. Funny he wants to look presidential now. Such a contrast. Thta's why no one believes him. Good for… " . . . more right-wing hypocrisy blatantly displayed. He's doing what he was elected to do for the American people. Ask Chris Christie what he thinks about the President's disaster leadership and concern. Mitt Romney fakes a "relief event" that is in reality a political event . . . asking for canned goods when the Red Cross asks for monetary donations, that canned goods, clothes, etc., require more work, time and cost to handle. They need $$, but Romney doesn't want people to spend their money on anything but his campaign.

I did not hear anyone talk about the fact that that seal that was murdered , went in against direct orders not too . He should of known better . Thinking with your heart instead of your brain sometimes gets us in trouble .

Obama is ahead in Ohio . A differant story depending on which channel you watch . Fox Is NOT news , so dont even consider them . They are on the republicans payroll

aspen that remark you made about whats one to Obama ? Thats about stupid my friend . Half wits like you should not be allowed to post your garbage

Well, good grief, it's funny that you admonish me and then in the same breath make presumptions about Romney (faking a relif effort??) lol - lol. As far as campaigning, when you have national security issues - you stop - and deal with them first. Seems I remember Bush doing just that. Romney is not president - yet. He doesn't have to. Obama is doing now, with the relief effort, what he should have done in bengazi. Maybe that was an expensive lesson learned. He skipped a security briefing that might have cost these men their lives. Then, he cared so much about them, that he went to vegas the next day. These are my opinions, but based on what I've seen him do.
I happen to agree with the father of the navy Seal that died. He said, "It's better to die a hero, than to live as a coward".

MC - they did what they had to do since the government didn't. Had the government sent in reinforcements when asked, they'd ALL be alive today. The government failed on this one. There was NEVER enough security around those men. I have towonder why, when every other president has had more security around our ambassadors than anywhere else. And knowing 911 was coming and they werein the Middle East? Somebody skipped his security briefing to go on a talk show. That's what happened. The ture man is fianlly showing and he's no leader. Bad news is, he will not be analyzed critically since he has his robots all over the US chanting his name as if he were Jim Jones.

Obama has been masquerading as a President for four years

Tom, I think waht happened on the first debate night is this: For 4 years the media and everyone around him have done his bidding. he hasn't had to do anything- even think (think teleprompter). He has not been challenged (the hard ball questions are given to his opponents only. His propaganda on Romney was sissolved when the public got to see that romney was NOT the villian the obamabots had painted him to be. Then, benghazi. We are seeing the real thing, and it's not pretty.

All these monday morning quarterbacks talking about Libya as if they had all the details? 3/4 of the comments are written by people who know nothing but what Fox socalled news says and we all know that Fox is on the republicans payroll . When in your in the service and given a direct order, you comply . If you dont and it goes wrong , its your as_. Pres Obama , the Harvard grad knows when to be quiet about a situation while all the wannabes run their mouths Do you remember when Bush was in office? Everyone had 4 months notice when he was going to make a move overseas. Just like the birth certificate issue. All the halfwits whining to see it lol Even Donald Trump , who by the way lost the management of one of his own building because of his lack of response to repair issues , maybe he better stick to what he is supposed to know , rather than making false claims about people he is jealous of!! lol .

Republicans are making an issue about Libya at this time because they are losing the election and need something to help them turn the tables. Sorry Reps , Americans have your # and its over. Romney flips more than a fish out of water.

The truth is , If Obama walked on water , it would not be enough for the republicans and all their little puppets . Sean Hannity soundslike a broken record regarding Libya . I think hannity is starting to cry as the election gets closer . Face is Hannity , your slick Mitt is sliding

My wifes doctor spend a half hour almost crying that he was going to make the same as he did 5 years ago because of Obama . This is fact. I could not believe my ears that a doctor would act this way ! The doctor went off the deep end . So the doctor will have to settle for the $200.000 a year he nets after ins expenses etc etc . I feel real bad for this doctor !!!! lol lol and thank God for our president Obama

On my. Ignorance (and partisanship) abounds. Romeny is NOT doing away with FEMA. He supports it and would give states morepower to use it. Sounds like he wants to eliminate fed control in as many place as polssible. *sigh*

Romney said he would make Fema a private company, thats untill he flipped again !!! Romney might be a good salesman , but you better get it in writing if buying from him!!!

Fema under Bush you might as well call dial a prayer

I have known a lot of politicians in my life, but I have never seen anyone who switches his positions so often as Governor Romney. He exhibits no core values. The astounding and not-so-funny thing is that he gets away with it. (I fully expected to see those "flip-flop" ads with the fish, and I am still puzzled as to why they never materialized.) How could you trust someone like this? Governor Romney is the master of tricks, and the nation will be the recipient if he is elected.

Yes Bush is history, however where were the crys for our men who were sent into Iraq without steel shields on their trucks to protect from them machine fire. It was so bad that our troops had to go to local scrap yards in Iraq to rig their trucks . This rush to war as if Sadamm had his finger on the button . 4 months before going to Iraq we sat watching Iraqi trucks move what could have been wmd to Syria on a daily basis . Sending our troops as open targets for what? I could write a book on all the other examples of non leadership . Please , It was not Obamas call to send in anybody , thats the states dept job . We dont know all the facts on this one yet . Time will tell who did what. So why dont you Obama haters find another excuse to try and get rid of him

What better endorsement could Obama get other than Colin Powell s ?? He would never endorse anyone but the best . And the other rep sen from some backwoods place had the nerve to say he endorsed him because he was black !!!! This sen should be retired 10 years ago .

The one and only reason we seem to have a handful of rightwing people talking about Libya is because its election time. Any other time I bet most of these right wingers never pick up a paper to read . They get all their LOL LOL " FACTS " LOL LOL from some blowhard Hannity on so called Fox "News " You know ? the station thats on the republicans payroll

George Wilson , You have explained it well, thank you . I believe Obama will win. HOWEVER I think the electoral college will play games with this . We thought we saw a fight with Gore/ Bush ? Wait untill Obama/ Romney start !!! We could sell tickets to this one . I thought an election worker in west palm with a dinner plate size magnify glass looking at a half removed chad was unprofessional and silly.

In handing Fema monies BACK to the states is really strengthening the monies in of itself as thats what its about to begin with. All these states send monie every year to FEMA. The when a disaster or need comes along, the disaster is called as just that..a disaster, so that FEMA can then hand that state, their own monies back they sent to them. I think thats a great idea for each state to keep up with their own monies as it would cut out an extra step necessary, just to receive those needed monies back. Handled on a state level makes more sense as it knows its people/residents, needs and neighborhoods much better than at a federal level. Romney never said do away with it, if people understood how t worked, would know what he said translates into a quicker response time to those in need, and better distribution of needed funds.

and further regarding FEMA- wasnt there some absurd waste of monies and questionable actions in katrina when they gave people health hazard trailers? moldy trailers or something?

UNITED States of America

Too many states can't handle routine needs, so certainly not disasters of the magnitude of Hurricane-Super Storm Sandy or Katrina; some can't be trusted to use money as intended and directed. Many states have state constitutions mandating a balanced budget, so they "balance" the budget by moving money around, taking and using funds meant for other important and necessary programs, raising fees and licensing (but mustn't call those increases taxes), like Romney did as governor of Mass. The experts on who should handle FEMA funds are the victims of natural and man-made disasters. All the rest are just pontificating. Making political word salads.

@Good Grief Y'all- seriously? and the feds have shown some stellar performance? *baffled* yes- state level is closer to giving the people back their rights and powers, as should be.

"The experts on who should handle FEMA funds are the victims of natural and man-made disasters."

Huh? So the people that should handle welfare are those that are on the receiving end of it, too? I'm really not following this statement.

And we need to handle the states' money because they're incapable of being trusted with their own money? Well, it's a good thing we have the federal government, then, who would NEVER EVER mis-allocate funds. Ever. They can surely be trusted to keep the FEMA money in a separate account, ready to be used in emergencies. I mean, why trust the states to handle things? Of course, not having the states handle their own emergency money means they will never learn how, they can keep squandering money in other places. Me thinks you don't give them enough credit. Oh, and the states are supposed to be mostly autonomous. The federal government isn't supposed to get involved in a majority of the things they currently do.

@ Good grief- I was also correcting your post: Good Grief Y'all

8:09 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Oh, and btw, Romney would do away with FEMA. What a pompous a$$!!
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Romney wasn't saying to "do away" with FEMA as in nothing left in place for the people during times of a disaster. in your posting, it was skewed and completely taken out of context, as well as leaving out the other parts of it, such as delegating responsibilities at the state level versus federal level. States are better in tune to their own residents needs. Also freeing up time for a quicker response financially.

@Good Grief Y'all

2:01 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

Yes, Mary Lou - seriously! There are some very backward states in the US. Look at their voter suppression laws, their turning back time on women's issues, their poor performance on education. Very seriously!
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We WERE initially speaking of FEMA money but now somehow were off on these other topics. Could you please provide some specific, direct, and recent examples of what your talking about? entirely too vague to understand your point/point. What voter supression? what time has been turned back on specifically what women's issues? and what poor performance specifically on education?

WOMEN’S GROUP Slams Obama For Abandoning SEALs in Benghazi
http://nation.foxnews.com/benghazi-gate/2012/10/31/women-s-group-slams-obama-abandoning-seals-benghazi

Continued . . . or the bills in various states and Congress to curtail birth control access? It's not my job to educate you or any other low information voters. If you can post on Patch, you can do your own research, but I did give you a start.
S c a r y that you're even asking about those issues. Oh, wait, you're into Fox, aren't you? Broaden your horizons. I rest my case on the education issue. See that example in many of the comments above. But the 2010 mid-term Congressional elections were supposed to be all about JOBS-JOBS-JOBS. What do those TPers do when they got their hands on the nation's business? Started up with the Planned Parenthood defunding stuff, changing abortion laws, named Post Offices . . . etc., etc., etc. There, does that get you started on the road to understanding why the Republican agenda is so bad for America? Nah, probably not. My daddy used to say there are people who would argue with a signboard.

@good grief- I dont see voter ID as a suppression I think it is good and actually ensures a better chance of honesty, no matter which party you vote for. I dont know anyone that doesn't already have some sort of ID . It is not some absurd, massive, and unreachable goal to require one to have an ID for voting or any other purpose. ABORTION IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. I wish people could let that one rest. Personally, sad, and wouldn't be my choice, but again, is another scare tactic. I believe most of the riders are trying to block public funding for abortion, and am OK with that. Why should someone who vehemently oppose something even based on their own religious beliefs, be forced to pay for something on behalf of someone else? The states handling their own disaster money to better serve their own states residents rather than the feds doing it(again- point to Katrina here on record-delays and moldy trailers) has somehow led to all these other issues?

@goodgrief- I think your too far gone down the rabbit hole..My condolences. I was trying to have a reasonable convo, being you replied to MY comments but carry on "birds chirping" into Fox? fox what? I would think my horizons are fairly broadened as I dont stay limited on one issue in seeing things one way across the board. Pretty diverse person I am. If your not happy with the education for your kids, you do have multiple choices there. Your not bound to a public, government, federal, etc..system. There is private(that's what we chose) and home schooling as well. No one is taking any rights away from you. I am not a republican, I am an independent voter(record) and vote agenda every election. Would love to see another party added to the choices. What are TPers? you lost me again.

Why are all these monday morning quarterbacks harping on the Libya issue as if they had all the facts? The only ones with the facts are in the oval office and they may still be waiting on the rest of it. Why dont you all admit your Romney is losing and he is trying to hang on anyway he can . Using Libya to help him win is wrong . But Romney doesnt not care , he will do whatever to move into the whitehouse . God help us all if that happens.

Oh, my, Mary Lou. I believe you're beyond talking to. First, I don't need your corrections or your condolences. Don't play dumb, you know I was talking about Fox News Channel. Otherwise you wouldn't be saying chirping. I know you've been on these threads enough to know what I mean. This exchange ain't your first rodeo. I'm quite happy with my children's education - they have advanced degrees and very good paying jobs. After all that explanation at your behest, you think I was talking about my own situation? Perfect example of what I meant about naivety and being a low information voter. TPers - short for Tea Party people, but you knew that, didn't you?. Home schooling by parents who probably didn't get very well schooled themselves? That's a whole 'nother topic I'll leave to others. You sure sound like a Republican, undeclared (ashamed to), maybe?

Now we have republicans condemning Christie for saying what a great Job Obama is doing . Why should I be alarmed at that? GO FIGURE Just like the last 4 years the reps have done everything they could to hinder Obama and all his efforts .

@good grief- birds chirping has been around for longer than a news channel I would assume.I am not a fox follower. If I were republican, I wouldn't be ashamed, just as I wouldn't if I were a democrat. if I am going to stand for something, I am not going to be ashamed. I dont have to defend my voting record to you, but challenge away. I think you misrepresented much of your point as I truly was at a loss trying to follow you on them in your being vague. You mentioned abortion/education/voter suppression and such, I kindly responded to those points with my opinion as you did yours. I was merely pointing out, abortion is going no where, so it is often used as a scare tactic to get people to worry their rights are somehow being threatened, when they are not. Again, you have to have an ID in this country to do just about anything- bank, drive, write a check- apply for job-apply for a benefit- rent a car-hotel- the list is endless. you'd be hard pressed to find someone who lives so far under a rock they dont have an ID so therefore they are being denied their right to vote. Wasn't this an issue already going on years ago? as in plenty of time to prepare for the election if it was going to be necessary and they wanted to vote? lets be reasonable here.Cont'

cont'@good grief- As for your children and education, again, you threw out a blanket statement ,could only gather you were referring to your own situation you were disgruntled with. My point is there are many opportunities if one (whomever that ONE is) to educate their children outside of a public setting if they were not happy with the Government. No one is being denied/suppressed from anything. I think you could have gotten that much from my posts, but really, I think you were just looking to pick a blog argument. Kudos. Ta Ta

I think if Obama wins they will simply impeach him over the lying like they did Nixon... Then unfortunately Biden will have to lead the country.. so vote for Romney... He has already won Georgia it is better to get any friends in Ohio WS Co NC FL and Iowas to vote for Romney.... They will go after an impeachment if he wins and I don't see why they would not get it.

Impeach Obama ??? lol lol lol lol You guys just hate a winner !!! He may get a medal. Like I said, if Obama parted the red sea or walked on water , you would find fault with him . I just dont understand why anyone would condemn a man who saved millions of peoples homes from the blood sucking banks and gave health care to all . Makes no sense why anyone would vote for Romney over Obama . I would vote for any man or woman who had to work his way up the ladder and knows what it is to struggle . Unlike Romney who was born with the siver spoon in his mouth . Romney has no respect for the working man or woman

If anyone one of us had to speak to the president over a serious matter , which one would you think might get your ear? If Romney was elected you would not get the time of day , unless you had something for his wallet

Is Hurricane Sandy likely to impact the Presidents reelection efforts.

Nothing will interfere with the reelection efforts of Obama, nothing. Not a dead Ambassador nor the East Coast effects of Sandy.

Chris. Whatever happened at the embassy is not going to change the election at all. Yes you might have a few uninformed voters make a vote based on this issue. The order for help would of went to the sec of state " hillary" . Obama might not have made the call on this as I believe it would be Hillarys job to make . If things were that bad in the weeks before stevens was murdered , why on earth did he stay ? Does anyone really believe that Obama would of just looked the other way ? That is nonsense and just like blowhard Hannity on Fox Blues , anyone who believed that is whacked and most likley a republican looking to help Romney win. Please remember , it was the republicans who cut the budget for security at the embassey.

I have never seen in all my years watching our government , so many people condemn " our" president of the "United" States !! I tottally blame the republicans for this . The republicans had to scrap the bottom of the gutter to come up with a person to run . Does everyone know the history behind gov Scott?? How did this man ever get elected? And for the reps to back this man tells me all I need to know .

Before the reps picked Ryan as vp , they were kicking around Sen Rubio ? Sen Rubio helped judge hawkes build the taj mahal , the new courthouse. Judge Hawkes had to resign over the corruption involved with this and left before the surpreme court jailed them all . 50 million dollars to build , when Florida had a shortfall in the budget and Rubio walks away without a word ??????? Why doesnt Fox Blues , I mean news, question rubio on this? Fox picks their battles and its always the dems . They were thinking of Rubio as vp because the reps dont have anyone left that can past the smell test . Sen Rubio would not pass either.

Sandy-Starved New Yorkers Dumpster Dive

Where is Obama????????????????????????????????

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/video/#!/on-air/as-seen-on/Sandy-Starved-New-Yorkers-Dumpster-Dive/176839571

Aspen What a comment ! Those dumpster divers are regulars . Obama is getting on some republicans butts that are slacking in this situation, just like the reps did for 4 years trying to make Obama look bad . You people are starting to make me sick . You are standing up for republicans who dont care one bit about the working person . IF YOU DONT LIKE THE FACT THAT OBAMA IS BLACK JUST SAY IT AND STOP WITH THE BS

Robert , It does not matter if you believe this or not. I have never brought up anyones race at anytime untill one republican sen last week said that Colin Powell picked Obama because he was black . This got me going . However I have never heard so much noise out of the reps about Obama that is total nonsense . These people cannot have that much against Obama like they say , this leds me to believe its his race . No one with half a brain is going to condemn a man who has his back and in my opinion really wants to help others , no matter if they are rich or poor . I dont agree with all of Obama , but I know he is not supporting the drug dealers on the streets with prescription drugs . This is my main issue with the republicans. This is a deal breaker. 10 years fighting against the prescription drug database , therefor prescription drugs are killing our kids. By the way ,I dont make comments I cannot support . What I say is after years of research . Is your real name bob newhart ? you know the shrink from that show? lo lol

Sandy - I'm sooooo done with this thread. There's a good question started close by on whether we should do away with electoral college. Why don't you come over there? It's a good question and needs some intelligent thinkers besides karsten and me. :)

Sandy duhhhhhhhhhhhhh geeeeeee wizzzzzzzzzzz BIG DEAL

Iam very sorry that someone had to point out my caps . I find it sad that this bothered them enough to make a comment . I guess this means Iam yelling

My caps are fixed . Dont want to keep you awake at night

Wow, lots of dissing in here on senior citizens and children. Who's immature?

I saw Geraldo Rivera on TV this morning and I thought he was going to cry. He's an emotional man ya know. He is upset that people are bum rushing Obama about the Benghazi murders. He apparently feels that Obama is doing everything in Las veg....
I mean everything in his power to be transparent and share the information as it comes in just as he promised. This Tuesday will be EIGHT WEEKS! Apparently Obama is just as much in the dark about this Terrorist Attack as the 320,000,000 Americans that he works for.

"We Leave Nobody Behind"
http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/30/obama_we_leave_nobody_behind.html

Get off the Benghazi murders already . Its not going to help your man Romney win , and I know this is the agenda behind all the talk about Benghazi

Bush allowed the Bin Laden Family to fly out of the USA on 9-11 The only plane in our skies!!! This and many many many more issuess that the reps commited . Where was the out cry then? Oh It was not election time

Can you all believe Hannity on Fox Blues is still crying about Libya ? He has gone through 20 boxes of Kleenex this week alone . Maybe Hannity better take a week off as his ranting is not changing the election one bit. Hannity is at his wits end and I find it very odd that he believes the libya issue would change voters minds without all the facts . HE MUST THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE STUPID ?? Sorry Hannity its not working like you thought . You have a few days left, better rant on something else

I believe it. Hannity . . . ugh! Hard to listen to, hard to look at. Can't, so won't.

@Mike Chubre- Benghazi is far beyond politics that we have four dead Americans that were denied their rights and abilities to have done their jobs they were asked to do, according to the prez, by him. You can snivel yourself about the fact that it is out in public view now, but I would venture to guess, you are a small small minority putting such a pittance of care about and for, your fellow Americans and the value of their lives. I dont know what Sean Hannity was doing your talking about as I dont watch him or listen to him, but if someone was crying, I am sure so are the relatives of those dead Americans. I am afraid the drums are going to beat much louder and will remain steady, in a demand for the answers regarding their loss of life.

Mary Lou Iam not saying we should not get the answers to the questions on Libya. Iam not letting anyone off the hook. What Iam saying is , there is a time and place for everything . This present government is far to smart to give out details to people without the "NEED TO KNOW". The public will get the answers in due time . When the president is good and ready we will get the facts. Most who are harping on this subject are just looking for an excuse to charge the president with the murders.

Mary Lou I suggest you disregard comments like the ones above . Those types always resort to name calling when they have no answers

@ Mike Chubre- again, this is beyond politics and the time and place is yesterday, as in 7 weeks ago. This president promised and ran on transparency in his presidency in 2008 and we expect it and deserve it. Regardless of a campaign he has to run, this should be above such. Anyone "harping" on this has every right to demand those answers! There were televised pictures of the situation room regarding the death of Bin Laden along with a quick response of details. This calls for the same in every step of it. The information that has been shown regarding this, is not looking very good for him or his admin. We want answers, truthful answers, now.

NY DUMPSTER DIVER Nice name and I suppose if you had to dumpster dive that would be obama fault also ? No matter who dropped the ball under Obama , if the ball was dropped ? You all still will not be happy unless Obama took the fall !! Right??? Boy you reps sure didnt have much to say when Bush dragged us into Iraq for "NOTHING" . And how many of our men and woman died being sent in unprepared ? Yes thats history I agree , but I hate the republicans double standards all the time. Its do as I say NOT do as I do with the reps. why is that? I hear that even republicans within the party are starting to see the light !!! Thats Great

Mike Chubre,

Dump On This Chum!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imaSx4_04cA&feature=player_embedded

i dont think it will effect the way obama voters think or vote at all !
thay jus dont care where the check comes from ,jus that THAY get it and obama is a means to an end .

Who's "thay"?

You people

"You people" belong to Queen Ann.

Jim Aspen wrote:
Sandy-Starved New Yorkers Dumpster Dive
Where is Obama????????????????????????????????

Why Jim, the PHOTO-OP is over! Didn't you know that's more important than making sure people are not starving and that the federal government does its job?
He's back doing what he does best. Drawing attention to himself. Compare him to Bush now.

What's sad, is that we've seen the real obama and yet, people will still vote for him. There's a saying about that, but probably not appropriate here.

One poster asks:
So what is the CURRENT president's military record?
Did he by chance serve as a corpseman in one of the branches?
Don't expect an answer. You are dealing with hypocrites. Obama never served a day, nor did he even WANT to. He sat across the table with communists and radicals. YET, they want to criticize Romney for being a missionary. Telling. Very telling.

Hey Sandy - the responses to your admonition to be "mature" totally proved your point LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Maybe they should look the word up. For some reason, makes me think of my little brother using bathroom humor when we were kids.

Train wreck alert!

@good grief- Thanks for the alert, conductor.

News flash Obama will win EASY . All you republicans , you can pick up your box of kleenex at your local store . I know the truth hurts as they say , however at the end of the day you will understand why he won.

ny dumpster BOY I looked at your utube you sent . The BIG differance is Bush spent trillions on what ??? Not you and I !! He spent it on so called wars we had no business being in . And the total he left is not right . Figure the billions if not trillions that have to be spent on our troops who came back with no legs , arms mental illiness and all that goes with it!!! Plus how Bush made us look around the world !! We might as well had John Wayne as a president at that time.

ny dumpster BOY OH YES Your video where Ronald Regan said its not your government job to make jobs???? Then why all the BS about the jobs #s ?

The problem I see is this . OBAMA will win easy in my opinion . However will the reps continue to interfere with his jobs plans , like the reps have done for 4 years ? Or will the reps work with Obama ? At all Americans expense , the reps have not worked with Obama for all 4 years .

MIKe - not 4 years. The first two had full house and senate democrats. You may find it hard to believe, but much of his opposition came from blue dog democrats who probably could not in good conscience go along with pelosi and reid. Look it up. It's there if you really want to see it and have a conversation that has more than half truths in it.

Having just switched yesterday to become a Liberal, I was out protesting the local gun shop today (It's just a matter of time before some wacko from there starts shooting up the daycare next door) and heard some very disturbing news. Some expert that supposedly knows what is going on has predicted a landslide victory for Romney. I know I will be unable to vote on Tuesday because that is the day my government check arrives and I need to be home waiting for the mailman. I hope this isn't some Republican conspiracy, putting election day on the same day as government checks arrive.

David, you might as well make a day of it. After all, you may have to sign for your flat screen TV. LOL

NY, NJ or Benghazi. Nothing will interfere with Obamas reelection quest

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Why dont the republicans on this site have any outrage for Bush sending our kids to war to a place we have no business going , but they can rant whine cry wimp about Libya ? 4 men who went on their own who knew the risks and decided to stay even after they were told they would get no help according to these whining reps on this site ? How many our kids came back missing legs arms etc etc while Bush was chopping wood on his ranch in Texas . Why do these reps have these double standards ? They must not be right in the head to not understand this double standard ? The reps think they are above it all and most are sunday catholics . Dont get in their way when they are leaving church on sunday or they will curse you and run you over !!! These holy rollers think they are above everyone . When Obama wins they will whine cry and maybe they will figure it out. Americans are not stupid . You dont go around the country telling stories , and each story is differant depending on who you are talking to. I have never in my life thought that republicans could make me as sick as they have this election. Cheat lie steal anything to win . Romney under estimates the American .

Tammy , if you look up half truth in Websters , you will see a picture of Romney .