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Is Civility Really Dead?

It sure seems that way. Do you think there is a chance of America ever returning to a more civil society?

 

Whether on the nation's roadways, over social media or even just in person, it seems civility is a lost art. With a presidential campaign that is has been branded as one of the most uncivil of all time, it's not surprising that the vitriol flows down the ranks.

But it's not just the presidential campaign. People insult each other over twitter, Facebook and on chatboards, seemingly just for the sheer pleasure of it. Gone are the days where elders were respected and people were civil to strangers. Remember the old adage, a "stranger is just a friend you don't yet know." That sure went out of date with the onset of the age of Internet anonymity. Now a stranger is just someone who can be torn to shreds, whether it be for his or her opinion, intellect, education, or just simple command of the English language.

So what happened? Is civility really dead or is it just another fad we're going through and, like the bell bottoms, it's destined to come back into fashion again at some point in time?

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sidonia schumann

8:54 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

We get what we give. Do your own part and good will return to you.

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Martha Wallace

9:33 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

What is this garbage? Who wrote this? In this story it says "Now a stranger is just someone who can be torn to shreds". What do you mean about "NOW"? What does NOW have to do with anything? Have you ever been forced ride on the back of the bus? Did you ever have to drink from a different water fountain because you were black? Were you ever forced to take a job as a maid and looked down at because you were of a specific race? Were you forced to educate yourself long past grade school because you couldn't go to college yet you were determined to be competitive? Do you know what is like to be discriminated against right now because of your age and possibly sex and race? It sounds like to me that someone that wrote this had their feelings hurt and now sees the world as a different place.

This story is such a load of crap. Do not tell me that people were once civil and times have changed. It sounds like your world changed and you are seeing what many of us have seen our entire lives. Someone wrote this story from a personal perspective without considering the lack of civility that has always existed. This is offensive and should be taken down or either written by someone with a thicker skin.

Is civility really dead? How am I to gauge civility?

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Athens Mama

11:07 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I think the author is discussing the current state of political discussion, but I think your perspective is very valid.

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Denzel Hill

3:00 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

You gauge civility by your own actions toward others.

Mary Lou

2:38 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I dont think civility is dead..I saw a great act of civility last night in Romney exercising great civility in a major debate. @Martha- No- I have never done any of those things, but have neither taken a part in such as forcing someone to either. Just like I wasn't a part of the native Americans and all that took place then either. I also wasn't a part of the white/English/Scottish slavery debacle either. We are far far ahead and beyond such acts that took place in History. We are all working on new history, with a lot more acceptance, peace, tolerance and fairness. We would not be making strides or progressing in any of those areas, if we were still fighting and holding onto the past.

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Jane

7:44 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

"History" isn't really that long ago Mary Lou. I remember being a youngster during the Civl Rights movement and the black kids at my public high school getting badly hassled. It reminds me a lot of the way some of my fellow Arizonans are treating Hispanics today.

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Athens Mama

11:09 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Mary Lou, I think it sounds quite convenient for you to try to brush the past under the rug. Our country was built upon these choices, and what our country was built upon, so were our communities. If you weren't part of all those debacles, at least be part of the awareness that acknowledges that aftershocks from them most certainly exist....

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Mary Lou

10:18 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

@Jane- in MY opinion, 44-57(civil rights movement) years ago is not 10-20 years..which in MY opinion would be "not that long ago". I am sorry for your friends that were hassled. I hardly can imagine in today's times, that occurring as it did almost 60 years ago.
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@athens mama- its not a convenience, its a reality in comparison of times. I swept nothing under the rug and am sorry you choose to misread my point and repackage it as such. I am an eternal optimist and will always choose to find the positive in the negative. I am aware thank you, of those "debacles" and any aftershocks that may still exist. I choose to look ahead at progress and solution rather than "live" in the past. A victim mentality will never ever move forward, regardless of how tragic the event or events. It in no way minimizes the horror of such event. It really wasn't "that long ago" BACK then in time comparison to the Holocaust. That occurred within just a short time to when the civil rights movement began. In today's times, the Holocaust was a long time ago and people have since moved hugely past that. It doesn't change the horrors of those peoples lives back then and some til today. My point wasn't to minimize anything but to look to the progression and change, as to so it can continue to move forward and create new history.

George Wilson

4:21 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

All radio stations and TV stations should be required to offer balanced perspective and different points of view. For many, many years we operated under a Fairness Doctrine in this country, and I think the country was well-served. I think the public discussion was at a higher level and more intelligent in those days than it has become since. This is known as the Fairness in Media doctrine. Now all you get are rants from the left and the right that lead to a lack of civility in the public discussion of issues.

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Sharon Swanepoel

5:20 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

George, I absolutely agree with you there, in part. It just shouldn't be up to a government to impose a fairness doctrine - that would always be subject to which party is in power. I don't know the answer, except that we the people need to impose our own fairness doctrine on what we are offered as unbiased reporting. We need to be able to see through the propaganda and discern what is the truth. Just none of us seem very equipped to do that anymore.

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George Wilson

11:18 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

@Sharon Swanepol
The Fairness Doctrine worked just fine and didn't require any excessive government .It was repealed in the late eighties and then we started to see the rise of radical and extremist talk shows. These talk shows have contributed to the coarseness of public debate and the lack of civility. This rule was basically self governing by the radio and TV stations under the watchful eyes of The Federal Communications Commission. Let's not forget that the air waves belong to the public not to the companies that we let use (and now abuse) them.

Tammy Osier

6:26 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Sharon, I remember the days when reporting was just that...reporting the news. No commentary or opinion. As a matter of fact, I think those journalists would have been considered unprofessional if they interjected their opinions. The medias job was not to cover up their favorite politician and expose the ones they did not support- they were expected to be unbiases and the medias job was to vet presidents and expose wrongdoing. Now they cover it up indescriminately. One opinion enters the fray, it's no longer good journalism.

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Brian Crawford

7:16 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Once the genie's out of the bottle it's hard to put it back. When you see a US Congressman shout "you lie" at the President during a State Of The Union Address and hear religious leaders openly question his faith on the morning news shows it's hard not to feel that we've crossed a line that can't be uncrossed.

I experience it every day here on the Patch. Because I offer a somewhat different viewpoint I get called every name in the book. I've even had my appearance questioned. I see the same thing happen to George. People throw words around like communist and socialist without stopping to think what they're accusing their neighbor of. The other day someone here even suggested taking up arms against their neighbor if Obama gets reelected.

I blame talk radio and the cable news shows, folks like Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck for encouraging the boorish behavior that has become common place in our political discussion. Yes there are also those on the left who are guilty as well but nothing anywhere close to an equivalency.

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Athens Mama

11:11 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Let's be real - that type of attitude is encouraged in many of the Christian churches here in the South. They're less Jesus centered - although you certainly hear the name a lot - and more Republican country clubs.

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Sharon Swanepoel

7:29 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Brian you are right, but it really does work both ways. I think everybody sees the insults directed at them much clearer than those directed the other way. There have been some really ugly things said about both presidential candidates, their wives and some of their supporters. I saw a whole bunch of tweets suggesting riots if Obama loses - in fact, it was actually calling for riots if he loses. I've also seen people referred to in very unflattering terms for their so-called "redneck" views, even on Patch. I think uncivil discourse is an equal opportunity status here on Patch as anywhere else. But always the optimist, I'm hoping that this time around, whichever way the election goes, we will at least have a year or two cooling off period before suiting up to face each other again. Maybe a pipe dream, I know, but hey, I can dream can't I?

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George Wilson

10:54 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

@Sharon Swanepoel
A big problem on the Patch is the lack of enforcement of basic net etiquette rules.In particular,off -topic posting and hijacking a discussion thread.Perhaps the Patch should publish them.

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George Wilson

11:05 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

@David
No not when you look at all the rules of net etiquette.

R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

8:28 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Sorry about the break you desire, it probably won’t be much of one since the next round is the congressional races that focus on 2014 ...
The next chants will most likely be “ We must keep the house!” or “We must take the house!”.
We can’t address anything that would jeopardize the election!

It's become multi - year long "March Madness" meets WWF and the NFL.

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Athens Mama

11:14 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

How can people not be personally affected? To many - it's a question of taking away a woman's (often low income) right to choose the future of her body and her life. For many others - it's a question of whether or not it's ok to kill an unborn child. There's no in-between. Similar with the deficit, similar with jobs, similar with foreign relations, similar with the environment. The stakes are so high, that it is difficult for people not to become empassioned regarding their beliefs and feel that all is lost if their side does not win.

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Tammy Osier

6:35 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Athens mama, I certainly hope that is not an attitude in most churches. I go to a church where you can't really call it any particular type of church (ie: white church, black church etc..), when you look around, you really can't find a label, so we just don't. So, we just move to the basic foundational message and reach out to the community and help those in need. We go to jails, prisons, help people find jobs, pay their rent, teach them skills, even teach them to speak the language. We've even got a ministry to help people hwo are found living under bridges. We have people who adopt children who have been taken out of sex slavery. So, whether the election goes my way or not, is neither here nor there. Our part of the body of Christ will continues doing what we're doing.

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John B

7:29 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Tammy...you can't possibly be a conservative if you're out there helping people in need. All liberals know that! ;)

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Athens Mama

4:47 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

@Tammy - point taken. It is an evil to generalize, and I fell into that trap.

Maureen Ruiz

9:25 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

I am always amazed as I drive down Broad Street in Winder how many people wait for others to pull out of spaces. In shopping centers the carts are returned to the areas for empty carts. I love this area, the civility is wonderful. Having white hair people are always holding doors for me. I spent most of my life in South Florida, so this to me is heaven. There are always going to be people who are just stump dump with their manners and attitude, but most people try to be decent.

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Denzel Hill

3:20 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Amen Maureen. Life may be hard, but you don't have to make it harder for a stranger. Sometimes a kind word or an unexpected kind act can make a difference in a person's life.

Susan

10:41 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

I'd like to change direction here and address Sharon's comment "Gone are the days when elders are respected." It used to be that kids respected adults simply because they were taught to respect adults. Now, in certain schools where I've subbed (notice that is in past tense) I've had kids tell me, "I don't have to respect you until you earn my respect." Who's teaching them this???

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Ryan Smith

11:22 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

See, I was always taught that respect was the default position, and only withdrawn once one was proven unworthy of it.

Susan

12:25 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Like innocent until proven guilty, maybe?

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Sharon Swanepoel

4:01 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

That's they way I was taught too Ryan.

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Elizabeth

11:03 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Many people have jumped on Sharon here, but this IS the "opinion" section of the DaculaPatch. Sharon was just sharing her opinion, and as they say, "Opinions are like bellybuttons - everybody has one".

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